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Hey solid! Thanks for this. I don’t see why it would be impossible to make a small twin around the 160/170kg mark! Imagine taking the 690 platform as-is and stick in it a 500cc parallel twin of the sort of the LC8a. You’d have a budget of 20kg to add a cylinder and relative paraphernalia. Given that ktm can produce entire enduro engines at 25kg, why not?

That’s over 30kg heavier than a 690, not sure why it’s difficult to achieve.

Flip Side - I saw what you did there with the edit. ;-)

Junk.

It's possible to shave 20kg of the 790. Single disk-4kg battery -2.5 cat -3.5 light exhaust -2kg abs model -4kg . Skinny wheels -4kg. Deleted headlight and brackets -3kg. I've done this to my KTM.. if this was available I would have just bought this

There is an offer on at the moment for the caballero 500 in the uk. £5949. Very similar to the triumph

Took the 400 for a run, great bike for certain…

Ducatti would be mad not to make this an enduro.

Scramblers for the win, who needs all those expensive features? I just wanna go places lol

Cheers and agree with some points but if the guys just put a GET ecu on it...take away the hot/lean bottom end, resulting in more torque, most people would then rev it notably less as I do....less high revs, less wear. Yes to bigger oil capacity. Yes to heavy clutch-end plate that revoves all vibration problems, as I have proven!! 15 years ago metals, bushings and bearings were not lasting well on ktms but now, I just dont think the internals wear that fast if doing casual dual sport riding. Ok, bring on a D

Im glad i ignored these. I got a tenere 700 for about $11,000 and although the price was a bit of a stretch, as someone who has been riding for 8 years i wont have people honking at me for going too slow at a red light

Big adventure bikes are for professionals that have tens of thousands of hours of training and seat time. That's who you see off roading dunes and climbing cliff sides at high speed on the GS1200.

Excellent review (therapy session) for those of us on the fence. I'm officially on the market for a Rally! Thank you!!!

Here in the US the Triumph is recognized as a complete turd. The KTM is decent but you have to use the rpm’s to make power. The Cabalerro is considered a disposable bike that you ride for 20K and throw away.

Well they just won the Baja 500. with the 450. and the 800 weighs 358 lbs with a full tank of gas. The 450 weighs 292 with full tank.

I'm a returning rider. It's been 35 years since I rode. Sold my 1985 honda 750 interceptor when I was in my early 20s. Now in my 50s still in good shape at 6ft 180 lbs. Bought a ktm 200xcw 2 stroke to practice in the woods behind my house. Once my confidence and skills comeback then I might consider a sportbike again. One thing that is different is that here in Canada the government is handing out licences to the huge influx of immigrants coming here and sorry to say they are some of the worst drivers I have ever seen. Thankfully I live in a quieter area of southern Ontario.

I personally like small engines and light weight motorcycles which at least have a reasonable cruise speed to match the highway speed limit without adding pressure to the engine and a good amount of torque for the off-roads.

Looking at the CRF. I know I need to upgrade. Would just using a stronger spring and heavier oil be enough or is it worth it going all the way? I'm afraid just increasing the spring rate will not do much for the damping.

Just a question. If we go for a world tour. Can we ride an adventure motorcycle with a small engine on every road or highway? For example 450cc. Is there any minimum cc requirement? If some countries don't allow it, please confirm.

All bike and all distance all direction will make me meet my true feelings, sooner or later, one way and bike or another, be it 120 or 1200 miles. Stop and give away your smile for free (maybe helping hand and more) - I think that's what it's all about in the end. (Good tip not to rule out the Intruders! Thank you for sharing!)

I live in a small town in the Smoky Mountains. I’m buying it for looks they look dope! And I have a gravel driveway that’s probably about all the off-road. I will be doing on it lol touring bites look like old men Harley Davidson bikes look like they’re wannabe Hells Angels and sport bikes look like they’re for douche bags.

There was this underdog called Kawasaki versys 300xwas a good adv off roader

Was gonna g for the scram 400x. But then went for the ktm adventure 390X. Keeps you entertained without gizmos

Great issue Solid. I until late 2022 had an XR600RK from 1989. that bike was a weapon. Loved it in the bush but not great on the road the way I had mine set up. I never rode the XR650L with electric start but by all accounts that was very similar to the 600 but about 20 KG heavier. I still think the XR650L would make an Ideal dual sport with a little softer suspension and a change to the gearing. On my 600 I ran 15/48 and that was ideal for single track, hilly muddy and rocky terrain - twin track and OK for commuting but not great on Highway at 100-110 was too high in the rev range and vibration of the big single thumper at top revs was a thing. However for a dual sport maybe a 15/42 or 15/43 gearing might be better suited to road speeds. I found the 600 had a solid rear frame to mount all the soft luggage you could need and with the right tires would make a very capable dual sport that just ate off road. Wind buffeting with a rally style deflector and an altered front mud gard would also make a huge improvement. Have you had a chance to try the 650L .

I think the Triumph 400X is great buy but I also think Royal Enfield has bettered everyone in the class with the new 450 Himalayan.

I can't wait for you to ride the MT450, nothing in this category even comes close, nothing. I'm at nearly 5000km on mine now with road trips, dirt roads, adventures and even an enduro event done on it. I loved my Aprilia Tuareg but from the insurance money I got paid out when it was written off I got my MT and had another 10k in my pocket for trips.

Had mine a wee while now, love it... as regards off road capability, gravel/cinder tracks only... leave the muddy bits alone the tyres won't cope... this said, as a road bike its fantastic.. and a bargain for the money... enjoy.....👍😎

450mt, forget these single cylinder duds.

I wish Fantic had dealers in the United States. The Caballero 500 Rally looks like a great bike.

Do you think the KTM 390 adv fills the void left behind since the departure of the dr650 from the Australian market?

Great to hear your Solid thoughts on these bikes! Lots to be excited about in the mid-size range these days.

A quick tip for those of you that got/have the ktm 390 adventure and want to solve the low rpm issue. So I had gotten my wife a used 390 duke and while trying it out I loved the engine and how it was peppy so I decided to get for myself a ktm 390 adventure and the difference between the two (engine wise) were sooo different (especially on the low rpm range) to the point I was like really unhappy with my 390 adventure. Knowing that they are the same engine I decided to see the why this difference, one them was the obvious one that my wife's 390 duke had an akrapovic muffler installed, then opening the air box I realized a sport air filter. So I immediately ordered the sport air filter and installed it and I must say the low rpm problem really changed and it's a lot more drivable now, to the point that I'm comfortable with it. I haven't tried the exhaust yet (too expensive too buy for now and my wife won't let me "replace" hers), however I do feel that the 390 engine with these two modifications can really be changed and improved. As far as the riding position, I agree, it's really wrong and unnatural for some reason, trying some bar risers in the hopes it'll fix it (any ideas are well received, I'm 1,70 cm). If not, a sad disappointment for what could otherwise have been a good bike.

Thanks again for a honest opinion on bikes! Looking forward to the next one! Cheers ON CA

if you want a dirt bike ride I'm happy to go with you ... cameras or not

Hey Solid, I had the Ktm 390 adv, personally for me coming from a Ktm Freeride 350 it wasn’t my cup of tea. Not enough power for on-road for me and was just ok on the dirt. I should bought the Honda crf300L. You’re right about the riding position for dirt, it felt like you were sitting on the bike where the bmw Gs310 has a much better riding position for a 5’6 bloke and riding dirt inspired much more confidence. Great show mate keep it up.

Another excellent post. You mentioned you like character for riding, perhaps you might take a gander at the Guzzis.

I wish they'd put that coolant reservoir on the triumph 400x a wee bit higher

Hi people. Hope will find the correct bike what producers served us their choice.

The competition in the 400-500cc range is a good thing. If they sell, Honda will have another crack at the CRF450L.

The rally version is 364 lb with 2 gallons of fuel and I'm afraid they thinned out everything and there's going to be issues with bent frames rims everything. A light powerful bike just don't crash or ride hard with it.

To me a great dual sport bike is an old 20+ years and cheap. So cheap it doesn't matter how much abuse it takes. People are surprised my 73 Yamaha Enduro still beats many newer bikes.

390 adv The weight must be controlled within 150kg.

The DRZ would absolutely be king if they added EFI and a 6th gear

It does look really sweet! I think it will be a huge seller.

I guess I’m pretty lucky but I’ve worked hard, but I have a bike for each type of riding I like. Which is what it comes down to these days. Buy the best you can afford and what best meets your needs or wants. I have Adv, Sports tourer, Cruiser, Dualsport and Scambler covered.

One very weak point i see that needs to be looked at is the coolant bottle, That thing is just asking to be smashed from hitting anything while ridding!

When did 400cc become little engine!

Scramblers were the BOM back in the day So they not useless at all !

Can’t relate to this at all. I’m a new rider and I’ve dropped my bike a few times. Lifting it was nothing and I was gassed. A couple times it was on some slick rock in a water crossing. Lifted it just fine by myself. Get out there and have fun. Understand that you’re gonna get stuck and that’s part of the adventure. Learn to smile at adversity.

The black cowl is actually a snap off shovel for when you're up to the axels in sand.